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DEVMEETING + A Serious Issue

Tue May 6, 2008, 5:02 PM
  • Mood: Daily Needs
  • Listening to: Pikolomini - From Subway to My Way
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  • Eating: Agrokrem
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NEWS

:bulletred: Welcome our new member - :iconjailbait69:!

:fella: DEVMEETING ON SUNDAY, 18 MAY. LOCATION: SOPOTSKO! TIME: to be announced! PLAN: This is a pre-birthday party meeting that will include nice food, beer, and some important discussions for the future of devMacedonia! It will be fun but it will be about business, as well :) :beer: What does business mean? Admins, dA subscription for the club, a couple of tricky ideas, and discussion of the most creative birthday parrrty ever! So, everybody, young or old is welcome... :beer:!

:fella: We still have pics from the challenge to display. Just be patient, it will happen before Sunday is out. The same goes for the 10th devMacedonia featured artist. :)

:fella: Now for some SERIOUS TALK. There have been several complaints from devMacedonia members about Greek harassment and very anti-Macedonian deviations displayed around dA (and we've seen a few examples on our pages). Early on, we attempted to separate dA from politics and given that we kept it cool this long, we did well. But the line has to be drawn somewhere. It's no longer about a name dispute between the politicians of both countries; the Greek treatment of Macedonians as lower human beings can be felt in any kind of communication with Greek traders, banks, customs (shit, the whole thing with marking Macedonian cars in Greece reminds me of Jews being marked in Nazi Germany), and now on deviantArt.

I've had problems with Greek and Bulgarian propaganda while working on the Macedonian Wikipedia early on, but I have never seen anything like this. It's not even about history anymore. It's not about debating the "falsification of Macedonian nationality" or what came before 1912. No. It's pure hatred, gloating over citizens of a country that is clearly weaker politically/economically. I am not saying that all Greeks behave in this manner, nor am I saying that the majority act this way, but there are enough cases for this to be concern in the following weeks and months. I do not come to deviantArt to waste my time on politics (I have enough of it during the day) and I certainly do not come here to be humiliated by anybody. So...

After this post, I will not spend a single second thinking about this issue. This is my declaration as administrator of devMacedonia, and I think it covers everything that needs to be said. I could describe Macedonian history in detail, but this is not the place for that, so I won't (by the way, I've read the award-winning "Falsification of Macedonian History" book, which is very poorly written and seems to be important only because the Greek politicians of its day - published in 1983 - used it as the cornerstone of their modern anti-Macedonian campaign; before that book, things had been fairly quiet since the civil war aftermath). devMacedonia will not review any cases of Greek fanatics posting shit pictures against Macedonia, nor will it answer to any provocations; there is a hide button for this purpose, discussion closed.

And I suggest that those of you who are concerned with the issue do the same. State what you want to state in your journal for your visitors to see and leave it at that. You can discuss history and politics if you want to, you can argue intelligently or badly, be smart or stupid (whatever smart and stupid are), but nobody can stop you from writing what you think/feel, it's your journal, your home court. There's no point in giving attention and creating views for people who do not deserve it. If they notice you and start making noise on your page, click hide, be sarcastic,debate, whatever. Most importantly, say what you wanna say where most people who know you will be able to read your words, close the issue, and do not leave anybody distract you from your art anymore. Just a suggestion. That's it from me. :)

Text written by :iconserdarot: Feel free to criticize this post for its content, necessity or lack thereof. Anyhoo, I hope to see you during our next devmeeting on Sunday, 18 May. :beer:

ABOUT DEVMACEDONIA

Welcome to the first :fella:Macedonian DevART:fella: club! Its original concept is to gather artists that reside in or are in some way associated with Macedonia.

To join:

Send a note to *Macedonia with "join" as subject.
Note that Macedonian related art is not required for joining.

Participation:

After we’ve accepted you it would be greatly appreciated if you :+fav: +DevWatch the club so you’ll be duly noted of its activities.
An icon in your journal would be great!

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Revised Members list.

Affiliated with
:iconillegal-art: :iconeuropeans: :iconserbiaandmontenegro: :iconunitednations: :iconturkiye: :iconbosna-i-hercegovina: :iconbulgaria: :iconcostarricenses:
:iconsonora: :iconpt: :iconlisboa-pt: :iconczech: :iconhungarians: :iconbelgium: :icondaarmenians: :iconslovakia:
:iconrowatch: :iconcrikey: :iconegyptians: :iconcanada-club:

Other partners:
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Сопотско? Недела? Сакам да дојдам, ќе ме примите у друштво? Би дошол и на 15 минути до тамо, да видам кои сте и како сте. Дека во недела сум со обврски :(

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epa ke dojdeme ! ama da kazete kolku se sobravte minatiot pat ! :D

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ti ako sakas ne se zamaraj so nisto, ke bide uste edna pobeda za grcite, no ako veke kapes na devart mozes barem da stisnes report violation i da pomognes da se trgnat tie sliki od ovde! mene ne mi preci da se karam so grcite zs gi gledam nemaat pojma, baska mi go jaknat nacionalizmot i moralot! za site sto go citate ova>> nemoj da odite na forata popametniot popusta i da kjutite pred grcite zs na nas od mnogu pametni ni otide drzavata! FIGHT vo sekoj aspekt od zivotot za ona sto e tvoe! pozz i mislete sto pravite!!!

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Znaev deka ce ima eden ili dva vakvi komentari, spagja pod ocekuvani kritiki. Na pocetokot, koga so :iconflavrsavr: rabotevme na makedonskata Wikipedia (nie dvajca bevme prvi sto se nafatija na nea, vo mart 2005-a imase samo 60 statii od koi pola bea bugarizirani) od edna strana imavme problem so Bugari i Grci sto postojano turkaa nivna propaganda i Makedonci koi ednostavno sakaa da se raspravaat, da gi opametat ednite i drugite. Ako eden admin izigrava medijator na site takvi sporovi i raspravii, treba celo slobodno PC vreme (saat do dva dnevno) da gi pomine vo bistrenje politika mesto da raboti na nesto produktivno. Kako sto pisuva pogore, devArt ne e mesto za toa (spored mene). Postojat drugi mediumi kade moze da se izdejstvuva nesto slicno. Edinstven outlet na devArt nad koj imam celosna kontrola e journalot i pogore e kazano se sto mislam deka treba da se kaze. Ako 30 makedonski devartisti izlezat so nesto slicno, vece pokrivas soodvetno golema publika na devart. Nema potreba da se trosi vreme nad sliki koi imaat edvaj 20 view-a i nieden komentar, da se raspravam so lugje sto ne gi poznavam i se pretezno klinci ili da reportiram zloupotreba sto e de fakto cenzura na stav/iskaz (pogresen ili ne, seedno). Kako i da e, tvojot nacin na spravuvanje so problemot e tvoj nacin, ova e moj i vo ovie uslovi, na devMacedonia. I taka. Peace!

A sega gi ocekuvam drugite kritiki: zosto, o zosto, bistrime politika na DeviantArt?! :) Ce go navestam odgovorot, ima nekakva vrska so Pinhead.

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"Oblacite i neboto se more nemirno..." :)
:w00t!: Се' со свое место, цел и причина.

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ok. edno e da se nema slobodno vreme, no drugo e da se zanemaruva celosno! inace samo da ti kazam deka nema da najdes grk sto se odnesuva vaka! i za tie sliki koi imaat edvaj 20 views, ke bide dobro ako eden od tie 20 gledaci go odvratis od grckata propaganda, bidejki stranec kako stranec nema sega da sedne i da istrazuva koj e vo pravo dali makedonija ili grcija, tuku ke si rece grcija e vo pravo, koja e ovaa makedonija sega prvpat slusam za nejze saka da i krade istorija na grcija! nikoj ne rece deka e lesen problemov so grcija, ova e psiholoska vojna, koj prv ke popusti so umot, no ne se predavaj, ne sega vo maraton trka da se otkazes na 100m pred krajot koga si prv! inace jas se nadevam deka ke ima poveke od 2-3 vakvi komentari bidejki za kogo se raboti ovde ako ne za nas! i ke te vidam dali ke kjutis koga ke treba da go smenis imevo na devart od macedonia vo r.makedonija (skopje). Ne e vreme za razdor pomegju nas makedoncite, inace ke strike-uvav pojako na ovoj journal, taka da ne se delete na patrioti i na evropejci i ostanete si makedonci do kraj! :peace:

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a da prates link do slikite..i jas sakam malku polnokni kavgi so grcishtata...:)

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ova e samo del od grckata propaganda na devart! gi ima nasekade >> [link] [link] kako da ostanes nem i miren posle vakvi stvari??? dosega imam mnogu vakvi najdeni grci, sliki, komenti i sl. i site sum gi spamuval, sum reportuval na devart i mnogu od niv se trgnati, no grcista gadni seuste stavaat i ako najdes nekoj ti znaes sto treba da napravis ili daj mi link mene pa jas ke sredam rabota! i ne zaboravaj devart ne priznava kako MACEDONIA i zatoa ova e pogoden teren za nas, a ako im kjutime na grcite porano ili podocna ke ne ima na devart kako FYROM! i kolku da se razbereme jas ne sum za ovde da se pcueme so grcite, ne e ni mestoto takvo, bi bilo super koga bi bilo samo umetnost ovde, no kako sto gledate ne e, i ne e se taka rozevo i pravedno ko sto sakame da bide, pa zatoa FIGHT! ako sakas da gi peckas grcite samo pisi im> FORMER OTTOMAN REPUBLIC OF HELL-ASS i odma ke zakjutat zosto toa hell-ass im stoi ko kur na celo i moze zatoa se tolku isfrustrirani pa sakaat da ne kradat nas! pozz

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Еј па ја мислев со дневников се стави точка? Што е сеа ова а?
Нема врска deviant НЕ е место каде што треба да се води net-битката со малагосите. Имаш триста форуми и сајтови каде што тоа можеш да го правиш. Убаво е напишано во дневникот дека тоа е една галерија (до две;) направена од некој ретардиран копиљ цо 500 посети (три четвртини од нас;) што на секој македонец може да му предизвика револт али заеби. Имам watch со грци и fav-ови така да глеам не се замараат ни тие тука со тие гомненици.

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